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People’s Palace Viewing Gallery – Part 3… a question is raised

Paying attention to detail can pay off – and has provided a little surprise regarding the recently mentioned Viewing Gallery at the People’s Palace.

In this case, I came across an old postcard said to be from around 1910 (the Palace was built around 1898) which showed that the gallery was NOT part of the original building. I found another B&W pic, undated but from the same era and showing more of the Green, but even this small image of the building was enough to show the gallery was not present.

I made some enquiries, still to be answered, but here is a clip of the pic that sparked my curiosity about when the gallery was added:

People's Palace 1910 B&W detail

People’s Palace 1910 B&W detail


The good news is that while nobody knew the answer to my question, they did know who to ask.

I’ve now got a fairly robust list of document identifications relating to building and modification to the People’s Palace, courtesy of the Glasgow City Archives.

The downside of this is that the records are still paper so, in order to read them, a trip to the room at the back of the Mitchell Library is needed, since that’s where they live.

What can I say?

Might happen, might not.

They do advise an appointment, and I’m no longer ‘good’ at appointments, although since I already have the doc IDs, they also indicated that most would be available ‘on-demand’, with just a few needing advance warning to be made available.

Still, I do find it a little sad that there’s apparently nobody floating around that can just go “Oh yes, I remember that… it was done in…

Unless YOU know better.

February 13, 2017 Posted by | Appeal, Civilian, photography | , | Leave a comment

Templeton’s, People’s Palace, Winter Gardens etc

With some odd pics left over from the recent sorties around Templeton’s and the People’s Palace and Winter Gardens, mostly squinty or just a bit random, I wondered if there was anything interesting to be found in them.

Turned out there was, and by chance I learned that it was possible to get all three reasonably arranged in a single shot.

The first pic I played with only caught Templeton’s and the People’s Palace, and was way off horizontal, so had to be levelled, then the buildings still looked as if they were leaning into the centre, so more perspective corrections.

Lastly, a new toy for helping edit out stuff like wires and poles was trialled (not used it before) and once I understood it, found it got rid of a white flagpole and some security and street lights that were spoiling the view of Templeton’s – these can be seen in the other pics, for comparison.

Templeton's People's Palace

Templeton’s People’s Palace

This last pair (which should really just be one, but I noticed something) ended up being an exercise in fiddling with perspective adjustment/correction just to get a final image that looked ‘right’ rather than ‘wrong’.

Nothing is ‘square’ in the view – it may look fine to the eye when seen ‘live’ and in context, but when the unaltered pic is seen alone, with rectangular borders, all the buildings look as if they are drunk. Templeton’s is built on a slope, and the ornamental façade joins the block on the right at an obtuse angle, not 90 degrees. The People’s Palace looks as if has been built off the vertical, while the Winter Gardens seem to be both at an odd angle and can look odd as the frame is curved. Just for good measure, that hedge in the foreground is not straight, but is a semi-circular curve.

The final effort still looks as if the various bits are at slightly odd angles, and lean, but are better than the original shot, which I also manage to take with the camera far from horizontal.

And, no, I did not notice that damned twig on the left!

Templeton's People's Palace Winter Gardens

Templeton’s People’s Palace Winter Gardens

Spot the difference in this bonus pic (it’s not that damned twig – I just decided to try losing it for fun, and was surprised at how easy it was to make it go away):

Templeton's People's Palace Winter Gardens

Templeton’s People’s Palace Winter Gardens

The obvious difference was… the light in the People’s Palace Viewing Gallery was switched off for the few seconds it took to get the second pic. I wonder why?

It was near closing time, maybe a hint in case anyone was up there.

February 6, 2017 Posted by | Civilian, photography | , , , | Leave a comment

People’s Palace Viewing Gallery – Part 2

After I posted the discovery of the People’s Palace Viewing Gallery recently, it struck me the item was incomplete – no exterior view!

The interior pics show it is almost a stairway to nowhere inside the building, leading only to that upper window.

From the outside, the stairhead and gallery rise above the glass roof of the Winter Gardens, almost (to me) like a little gun turret or similar. It was handy being there late enough for the lighting to pick it out.

While this one hold a stairwell, the matching feature on the other side is home to the building’s lift, so not really anything to see there.

Peoples Palace viewing gallery above  Winter Gardens

Peoples Palace viewing gallery above Winter Gardens

I struggled picking a closer view of the gallery since no matter how I framed the shot, converging and diverging verticals combined with the shooting angle to make an image that just looked ‘wrong’ when seen in isolation.

In the end, I selected two pics that eventually managed to be tweaked to look reasonably ‘square’ or ‘straight’, and not give the impression that I had been drunk and unable to hold the camera.

I just wanted to show the detail of the structure, and the interior I had shown in the previous post.

Peoples Palace viewing gallery exterior

Peoples Palace viewing gallery exterior


Peoples Palace viewing gallery exterior

Peoples Palace viewing gallery exterior

I’d like to say I learned something while trying to present these views, but other than finding them very awkward to make look as if all the angles lined up, I couldn’t find any particular method, and ended up using ‘trial & error’ along with the MKI eyeball until things just looked ‘right’.

February 2, 2017 Posted by | Civilian, photography | , , | Leave a comment

Little Barrowland sign at the People’s Palace

I recently chanced across the Barrowland sign all lit up one evening, which for me at least was interesting since I had no idea it even worked let alone was maintained and used – I’m simply not usually there when it’s dark.

I’d largely forgotten the Barrowland display in the People’s Palace – while it occupies a corner it’s kind of dark, and hidden behind a column that reaches to the ceiling.

The column is home to a small reproduction of the Barrowland neon sign, which can be seen best from the stairs leading to the next floor up. Sad to say, while this is a genuine working neon sign, when I noticed it recently only the main word ‘Barrowland’ was lit. The stars were not working, although the pic might suggest they are. This is just an effect of the phosphors being slightly excited by nearby lighting.

I’ll have to remember to watch this one in future, and try to catch it all lit one day.

People's Palace Barrowland neon sign

People’s Palace Barrowland neon sign

January 29, 2017 Posted by | Civilian, photography | , , | Leave a comment

People’s Palace Viewing Gallery is an official thing now

The recent closure period of the People’s Palace Winter Gardens ended up having a positive result.

I found the ‘new’ Viewing Gallery that had been created at the top of the stairwell.

People's Palace Viewing Gallery doors

People’s Palace Viewing Gallery doors

This really was a surprise for many reasons, not least of which being my recent fixation with the closed Winter Gardens.  This meant that even though I would be standing right beside these doors when on the balcony that overlooks the garden area, I never turned to look at these doors. The balcony is just off the top floor gallery, reached via the main stairs, so I never use the internal stairway behind these doors.

As it was, I only saw the inviting ‘VIEWING GALLERY Please Enter’ sign  because the garden area was unlit and in darkness, so my eye was drawn to the brightly lit stairwell area behind the doors.

I have to confess to… ‘sneaking’ into this area for some years (as in 20+), although not for some time, since I’m sure it became a dumping ground (sorry, storage area) for ladders and cleaning equipment, also some years ago, and it became awkward to get into (if my memory is wrong about this, I apologise).

Today, it is clear and clean, provided with seating, and has a number of pictures on the wall, showing the area’s past.

Viewing Gallery seating

Viewing Gallery seating

The seat is not as low as it looks, the image is a little bit squished due to the lack of space to take a complete pic at one go.

Viewing Gallery

Viewing Gallery

I did have a word with the staff about it…

They told me the gallery had been formally created over a year ago, but weren’t really sure exactly when.

They also assured it had always been ok to go up there for a look, and that the area had just been made more friendly and convenient for visitors since strangers would not be aware it was there, only locals or regular visitors would have realised the stairs went a little way past the top floor itself, and offered the opportunity of the view.

There is, as always, just one tiny problem – the bright and clean area makes taking a pic from this gallery tough, as the bright lighting makes reflections from the multi-angled windows almost impossible to avoid, as the following views show. Only one came out, and I’ve no idea how I largely avoided the reflections in that one.

Ignore the black bits, they’re just a result of creating the panorama.

Gallery view reflection left

Gallery view reflection left


Gallery view reflection right

Gallery view reflection right


Gallery view reflection minimal

Gallery view reflection minimal

Maybe best to wait for summer, or just get there earlier – these shots may not all look ‘dark’, but street/path lights are all lit, so this is late in the winter day.

Complimentary binoculars are provided too, at height for adults and children, so no need to remember them (the binos, not the children).  I’ve inset the plea for care, at the base of each mounting.

Viewing Gallery binoculars

Viewing Gallery binoculars

Just to round of this item, here’s a view I was beginning to think I was never going to see again.

Peoples Palace clock balcony

Peoples Palace clock balcony

Looking back up at the balcony where I’ve been forced to take pics of the closed Winter Gardens from for months.

The Viewing Gallery is just behind the lit circular window towards the top left.

Although the clock is possibly not far off the actual time, it’s actually broken and stopped at the moment, as confirmed by looking at the relative positions of the hour and minute hands – ten to five (or is it six) never looked like that on a working clock!

January 25, 2017 Posted by | Civilian, photography | , , | Leave a comment

People’s Palace Winter Gardens reopen

I’ve been so glum visiting the People’s Palace in recent weeks/months that I almost forgot I had found the Winter Gardens to have been OPEN once again when I happened to drop in a few days ago.

I also remembered to take some overlapping shots from the balcony this times, so I could try stitching them together to get a wider view than I usually manage – the results are not bad at all, but I always forget the weird effect that take place with the closest areas, so the view below is actually not as wide as it could be, were I learning faster.

It’s only a few weeks since I was last there, but the place was still ‘locked’ up solid, and in darkness – this was a consequence of some glass panels falling, with the obvious need to close the place for some inspections and to make sure it was safe.

Although not visible, I’m pretty sure they have altered the floor layout and arrangement of the beds. It’s not something I memorised, but from my summer visits I have the feeling that things are not as they were.

Nice to see the place with the café open, table out, and people enjoying the space once more.

People's Palace Winter Gardens

People’s Palace Winter Gardens

Roughly the same view taken a few weeks ago, in semi-darkness, but aided by a little tweaking to make it look almost like a daylight shot. Sometimes even I am surprised about what can be recovered from the gloom.

It’s interesting to compare the foreground distortion in the view above with the undistorted image below.

Although it’s extensive, the view still looks pleasing – to my eye at least – and I should confess at least some of it is down to me manually correcting some other distortion effects which were NOT pleasing to the eye, but this did exaggerate the effect to a greater extent than the image stitching alone.

I don’t get upset about this now, since the alternative is not having the image at all!

Glasgow People's Palace Winter Gardens closed

Glasgow People’s Palace Winter Gardens closed


January 20, 2017 Posted by | Civilian, photography | , | Leave a comment

The prefab model in the People’s Palace

It’s been a while since I last saw the model of a prefab in the People’s Palace and Winter Gardens.

Although the display case was there, I never seemed to arrive when the model was present, just a note apologising for its absence. I’m quite good at bad timing.

It’s been back for a while, and I’ve taken a few pics recently, but didn’t realise I was spending more time avoiding the camera shake and other problems that the low level of lighting on this model can bring. What I now realise I missed was the unusual presentation of the model, whereby the roof is open to reveal the interior, and a mirror has been placed to allow visitors to see the interior without having to hover over the top of the model or its case in order to see inside.

I’ve been standing (actually kneeling) too far back, which means the area revealed in the reflection is quite small.

Next time, I will have to remember this mistake and get closer, so that more of the interior is visible in the mirror (assuming some reason has not been found for the model to be absent when I do next manage to fall in the door).

Prefab Model Interior

Prefab Model Interior

You can still see most of the interior in the view below, but the wider shot – from an earlier visit – shows how much can disappear just by being a little further away.

Prefab Model

Prefab Model

The prefabs were produced as an answer to the postwar housing shortage, and factories, such as the Blackburn Aircraft Factory in Dumbarton, were switched from their wartime production role to that of prefab manufacture. There, they were referred to as The Aluminiums.

While they still required some preparatory work, including the laying of a concrete base and the provision of supplies, the prefab could be installed in as little as 35 minutes, according to the film below.


Click the image above for a short Pathé film.

There used to be a small housing estate nearby, which I recall thinking was a particularly neat and tidy place (even though I was just little), as it was made up entirely of the little single story prefabs. We had moved from a tenement to a bungalow, so I was already getting used to the low level building, but the prefabs were even lower.

I can’t remember when they were demolished, or even it happening, but once they were gone, a park was created on the ground they used to occupy.

The park was quite nice, and I can even recall some of the features as I used to cycle through it.

But, would you believe a chunk of it was sliced off, and became a small, ordinary, housing estate.

I suppose part of it was always on a ‘shakey nail’, given that it was originally land used for housing – part of it was probably always earmarked for a return to this purpose, but it was still poorly done, and amounted to little more than a line being drawn through the park. One side was left untouched, the other became roads and houses.

Thinking about it, I should walk the line and maybe get some pics. The council should be clearing up the winter mess from the park now, and the lack of greenery should make the line clearer. It should be possible to catch the former paths as they just come to an end where they were sliced off, and the road was just built over them.


I did go and get pics of the line later, see them here, in The lost part of Sandyhills Park.

March 29, 2014 Posted by | Civilian, World War II | , , | 2 Comments

People’s Palace fire alert almost ended visit before it started

I don’t gamble.

Not that I would if I could, there’s just something that stops me handing money over to someone on the (small) chance of getting it, or more, back. Even buying a lottery ticket guarantees exchanging £1 (or now £2) for a piece of paper, and a many million to one chance of much else for than a few.

The real reason is my endless bad luck, evidenced by nothing more than what happens when I buy something off the shelf. Either quality control is very very bad today, or I generally find the broken product. Most recently, I picked a little solar toy out of a bucket of the same in GoMA (Gallery of Modern Art). Took it home, sat it in the Sun, and… NOTHING!

Long story short, found that a hair-thin wire inside had been snapped as the thing was assembled.

I could give you a list of similar purchases, which were worth the trip back to shop to get a replacement. In this case, the cost of returning was more than the item, but at least it was the sort of thing I could fix myself.

Around the same time, circumstances landed me close enough to the People’s Palace on Glasgow Green to make a visit there possible with only a slight detour to my walk.


As usual, even this chance visit was almost screwed, as the blue lights I had seen flashing in the distance turned out to belong to full complement of fire service vehicle masses at the building. By the time I arrived at the door, only two were left, and a question to the staff milling around on the steps was at least returned with a cheery “Yes, it’s OK, we are open.”

Close call.

Even so, when I got inside I found the Winter Gardens had been closed courtesy of the recent storms. A number of glass panes in the giant greenhouse had been loosened, some had fallen, so the gardens were closed until the rood was checked and made safe.

The fire alert remained a mystery, and apparently a false alarm or sensor failure that had triggered an automatic alarm and call-out.

A fair portion was closed off too, with much of the top floor in darkness when I eventually found that one of the two stairways that leads up there was not taped off.

On a positive note – it was nice and quite with no screaming babies, infants that run by slapping/banging the soles of their shoes flat on the wooden floor, and no herds of school-kids milling around and crowding the displays while they try to fill in worksheets.

Peoples Palace fire alert

Peoples Palace fire alert

January 20, 2014 Posted by | Civilian, council, photography | , , , | Leave a comment

Suffragettes at the People’s Palace

I still manage to fall in through the door of Glasgow’s People’s Palace occasionally (where the staff are wonderful), and one of the little gems that seems to manage to hold its position on display there is a photograph showing the sort of weapons those nice ladies from the Suffragette movement felt it necessary to carry around with them.

From the display card:

weapons carried by suffragettes at a meeting in 1914

The printing of this photograph by the Daily Record after a Suffragette meeting made the public less sympathetic to the Suffragette cause, although the Suffragettes involved had felt it necessary to carry weapons in self defence.

I am NOT making a point about the Suffragettes here. If anything, I am merely noting that things have changed little in almost 100 years, and Rent-a-Mob, Neo-Nazis, or just thugs and bullies, still seem to be as keen today to hijack the legitimate causes of others, and use them for their own ends.

And they even use the same excuse for carrying their personal arsenal: “For self defence.”

Suffragettes weapons

June 15, 2013 Posted by | Civilian | , , , , | Leave a comment

2013 Monte Carlo Rally starts from Glasgow’s People’s Palace

Glasgow Monte Carlo Rally

I lost my original note of the planned start of the Monte Carlo Rally from Glasgow’s People’s Palace, but it was mentioned in the news the day before, so I was reminded that the start would be on Saturday, January 26th.

I had given up any idea of taking a walk along to catch some of event, as it had been a raining constantly through the night, but changed my mind by lunchtime as things became much drier, and even a touch warmer. Notably, we’ve been spared any of the snow that has landed elsewhere.

By the time I arrived, there was still almost two hour’s worth of cars left to be released (the total entry was around 40 participating cars which will cover the whole route, with another 60 to be seen as they participate in supporting events), and things were reasonably quiet by then.

In Pictures: Start of Monte Carlo Classic Rally

Monte Carlo Rally sets off from Glasgow | Galleries | News | STV

Seems I didn’t actually arrive as late as I thought (takes me a couple of hours to get there), as the BBC reported the cars only started to leave at 2 pm, and if their figure of 15,000 spectators at the event is accurate, the I’d have to say a lot of them had drifted away by then.

Monte Carlo Classic Rally starts in Glasgow

Thousands watch start of Monte Carlo Classic Rally in Glasgow | News | Glasgow | STV

I reckon most of them were in the twin queues I saw in the Winter Gardens (behind the People’s Palace) – waiting to get to the café… or the toilets.

I generally avoid trying to get pics at these events, either the pros are in the way, or you waste time trying to get to the front and avoid photographing the backs of heads, instead of cars – although one nice lady did offer me her place at the front of the barrier, but I prefer to walk around nowadays.

However, I did snap a couple, just to prove I was there:

Monte Carlo Porsche 911

Monte Carlo Porsche 924

There can be more to see in places where spectators park, and in this case a very tidy Sunbeam Tiger V8 was found:

Sunbeam Tiger at Monte 2013

Sunbeam Tiger

Unfortunately, this was the only interesting car found lying around the side streets. A tiny Riley went past at one point, but wasn’t seen again.

I did have one stroke of luck, as I hadn’t spotted anyone handing out the souvenir programmes for the day, and it would have been nice to have had one after making the effort to walk there. Then, as I walked past the guys clearing up, one of the guys asked me if I had one, and produced one when when I said “No”. So, I didn’t go home empty handed after all.

The Hancock connection

Don’t know if it’s a good thing or a bad thing, but I did notice that Tony Hancock’s series Hancock’s Half Hour featured the comedian running in the Monte Carlo Rally.

The episode started with him lost, and unable to find Glasgow – until he met a Scotsman with a terrible memory, magically cured for a few seconds at a time as Hancock crossed his palm with silver… repeatedly, to keep the directions coming.

Look for Series 1, Episode 12, The Monte Carlo Rally – if my info’s correct

January 26, 2013 Posted by | Transport | , , , | Leave a comment

People’s Palace with a sting

People's Palace, Glasgow Green, © Stephen Sweeney

Peoples Palace, Glasgow Green, © Stephen Sweeney

Catching up on old-ish news I wasn’t surprised to see that the People’s Palace on Glasgow Green had suffered a slight infestation with wasps, and that two of its staff had suffered stings from the little black and yellow terrorists, even though it’s November.

I’ve got a collection of handheld high voltage zappers for despatching any filthy flies that happen to see Apollo Towers as a handy lunch stop, and even though it should really be cold enough to send these things to sleep by this time of year, I’m still running around the house and enjoying the zzzap-CRACK! whenever I despatch one of the flying black golf balls into the hereafter.

The top floor of the museum was closed for a couple of weeks while its unwelcome guests were dealt with, swept up, and dumped, and no members of the public were stung, with the museum being cleared and fully re-opened at the beginning of November.

While some folk like the idea of global warming (assuming it to be real, and not some handy political toy), as it kicks in, then the loss of a proper freezing winter to kill off the eggs, larvae, and whatever weird breeding products the nastier side of the insect and animal world has, we can expect to see the less savoury side of the venomous members of fauna survive, and come after us for lunch – even this far north.

November 19, 2008 Posted by | Uncategorized | , , , , , | Leave a comment


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