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Enjoy this 1942 film: Song of the Clyde River: Elvanfoot To Glasgow – 1942 – CharlieDeanArchives / Archival Footage

Unknown to many, there are still a few sites online using the NSV file format which was popular before YouTube came along.

I keep these playing in the background as they spare the viewer/listener from the abuse of disgusting adverts and advertisers, allowing us to enjoy untarnished content without interruption.

One of the surprises is this short film, which can be found on… YouTube (with unwanted ‘extras’, of course).

Song of the Clyde River: Elvanfoot To Glasgow – 1942 – CharlieDeanArchives / Archival Footage.

‘A film of the Clyde, from its source at Elvanfoot to its mouth at Glasgow, from rivulet to mighty waterway. Street scenes in Glasgow, shots of factories, docks and shipyards, of shipbuilding, of giant cranes, of ships loaded and unloaded. As its title suggests, the film has a notable musical accompaniment.’
(Films of Britain – British Council Film Department Catalogue – 1942-43)

CharlieDeanArchives – Archive footage from the 20th century making history come alive!

It contains a surprising amount of varied content, especially the views of places now lost to time and demolition, along the Clyde itself, the shipyards, and Glasgow.

24/09/2019 Posted by | Civilian, Maritime, photography, Transport | , , , , , , , | Leave a comment

Oh look! A pole transformer (the missing bits)

When I took some random pics of a nearby pole transformer, I realised I’d missed some of the ‘interesting’ bits.

Mainly, the pics didn’t reveal how the electricity got out of the ground, and re-appeared at the top of the pole.

A second pic shows I could hardly have arranged the first pic any better, in order to obscure the feed from the ground to the splitter at the top.

This side view reveals the light coloured cable carrying out that task.

River Clyde Transformer Feed

River Clyde Transformer Feed

They think before the put these things up 😉

The piece of ‘modern art’ to the upper right is a manual mechanical isolator, meaning that servicing the transformer isn’t quite as exciting as it could be.

Using the appropriate high-voltage stick, the links can be pulled out of, or pushed back, into the circuit using the loop/plate on the end.

High Voltage Isolator

High Voltage Isolator

Not sure if related or not. but did you spot the feathery remains in the middle of the above pic?

High Voltage Victim

High Voltage Victim

There isn’t any voltage down there (unless there’s a fault), so this could have been left there after a raptor caught it, and settled there for a quiet lunch break.

24/09/2019 Posted by | Civilian, photography | , , | Leave a comment

Small update on the Waverley

I happened to pass the Waverley and the Queen Mary last night.

There had been an article in the media the day before, but it just appeared to be a repeat of the appeal story.

Now, I think whoever wrote it forgot to include the current figure for the fund, as reported in this article from tonight.

DONATIONS to save the Paddle Steamer Waverley have now exceeded half-a-million-pounds following the iconic steamship’s withdrawal from service earlier this summer.

The major appeal which was officially launched in June aims to raise the £2.3 million needed to fit new boilers on the Waverley and return her to service in 2020.

Waverley’s general manager Paul Semple said: “Thanks to the fantastic public response to our Save The Waverley Boiler Refit Appeal we have reached a key milestone in our fund-raising campaign.

“To date over 4,000 individuals have donated with some of our core supporters giving a ‘once in a lifetime donation’ knowing that we urgently need funds to secure Waverley’s future.

“In addition, we have received offers of help from several organisations and companies, but we will need further help to get Waverley’s paddles turning again.”

Several fund-raising events have taken place in the various towns and villages which Waverley serves.

Save The Waverley fund-raising appeal passes £500,000

PS Waverley Science Centre Glasgow Tower TS Queen Mary

PS Waverley Science Centre Glasgow Tower TS Queen Mary

08/08/2019 Posted by | Appeal, Civilian, Maritime, photography, Transport | , | Leave a comment

St Enoch joins High Street in the ‘Revamp Game’

I’ve been following the plans and changes intended to ‘waken-up’ the High Street area of the city, and see that the St Enoch area is joining in with similar aims of revamping the area.

Described as an area which starts at the junction between Saltmarket and Clyde Street, near Glasgow Green, and includes the cross-roads between Argyle Street and Buchanan street in the city centre, that means it extends the area being covered by the High Street (Saltmarket) plans already underway.

This was a busier area in years gone by, but as the various shops which once looked onto the River Clyde disappeared, and were replaced by hotels and offices (not forgetting the bars and similar that once lived there too, but disappeared completely over the years), the street along the river became deserted and very quiet.

Even St Enoch Square, which I can recall was fairly busy as the St Enoch Centre spilled its visitors into the space, has become something of a desert in more recent times, as the shop there became less interesting to most people. There are still some there, but without naming any in particular, I’d describe them more as special interest than general interest, so not attracting a lot of people there. I don’t think there’s one there I would ever enter.

Overall, it’s very bland and featureless, and only become busy when there’s something happening, such as the Christmas Market, or the occasional fairgrounds that set up occasionally.

We’re now halfway through a £900,000 public consultation on the future of the St Enoch district.

And that means there is still plenty of time to have your say on the ambitious plans to transform the banks of Glasgow’s River Clyde , in a bid to connect key parts of the city.

The area spans that which starts at the junction between Saltmarket and Clyde Street, near Glasgow Green, and includes the cross-roads between Argyle Street and Buchanan street in the city centre.

Glasgow City Council presented proposals for the massive revamp in June, before launching the 12-week discussion.

Council leader Susan Aitken said: “The St Enoch District is one of the most historic in our city centre, but its true potential just hasn’t been realised.

“However, these new proposals – which reconnect the community with the River Clyde – have the potential to absolutely transform how people see St Enoch as a place to live, work and socialise.

Those wishing to take part in the consultation have until October 27 and can do so by visiting Glasgow City Council’s Consultation Hub here .

After this period, the plan will be brought back to the council’s City Administration Committee for formal approval.

The draft St Enoch District Regeneration Framework can be found here .

Massive revamp planned for St Enoch area – and there’s still time to have your say on ambitious plans

This view from Saltmarket on the right, almost reaching St Enoch Square on the left, is part of the area mentioned.

As a ‘tiny’, I liked the occasional trip which included this as part of the wander. It was also where the RNVR Carrick was moored (when it wasn’t on the bottom of the Clyde 😉 ).

Now a hotel (the building in the centre), it used to be tenements with ground floor shops, and my favourite shop there was a car accessory shop.

By the time I’d changed from pressing my nose against the window, to a potential customer with a car and money in his pocket – it had gone.

As had all the other shops, along with all the people that used to go there.

While it’s true that many people can be found there today, it’s also true that they are only passing through, and have no real reason to be there, unless it’s a half decent day, and they’re relaxing on the grassy river bank.

However, for the moment at least, that’s really the only reason for being there.

Clyde Street From Sheriff Court

Clyde Street From Sheriff Court

04/08/2019 Posted by | Civilian, council, photography, Transport | , , , , , , | Leave a comment

Free Govan ferry returns for 2019 season

I wish I’d known about this sooner, as I was in Govan and visited both the spot where the new/current ferry operates from, and the site of the original Govan ferry.

While there’s not much left of the original ferry terminal area, there is enough to recognise it for what it was, and I’d have stopped for a pic, but for a couple of shady looking characters who looked as if they were doing drugs in the semi-hidden area nearby meant I hurried past.

The Govan Summer Ferry will operate from 03July up to 20 October 2019.

Free to use, the ferry sails between as follows:

8am – 6pm Monday to Friday

10.00am – 5.30pm at weekends

The ferry departs Govan from the pontoon at the bottom of Water Row and shuttles backwards and forwards continually throughout the day, with the last ferry departing Kelvin Harbour 6pm weekdays, and 5.30pm weekends.

There is space for bikes, so cyclists can use the crossing too.

The Govan Summer Ferry is provided free of charge thanks to fundraising led by Govan Workspace and the generous donations of many local organisations and agencies.

Do You Have Limited Mobility?

If you have limited mobility please be aware the ferry is not completely accessible but as long as you are happy to be assisted onboard, please contact Gregor Connelly on 07545 903 626 in advance of your trip so things can be prepared.

Confirm details on the ferry’s web site here:

Free Govan Ferry 2019

Free Govan Ferry - Ellens Isle - via Get into Govan

Free Govan Ferry – Ellens Isle – via Get into Govan

I was there a few days too early to see the ferry.

But I did find one pic I’d collected there, showing Tall Ship (the barque Glenlee) moored in front of Riverside.

So, I was at least close.

The Tall Ship and Riverside from Govan

The Tall Ship and Riverside from Govan

This is actually a fascinating place to wander around, and I collected a load of pics of various memorials.

I had no idea this area was even accessible, and only made the trip because I spotted the extensive railings (seen the in the pic) which border a long walkway along this side of the river.

It’s well worth the effort to get to.

This is also described on the Get into Govan web site:

Govan’s new riverside walkway is now open to the public and the transformation is fabulous. The stunning new pathway, which creates access to Govan Old along the waterfront from Water Row to Wanlock Street, restores access to this part of the riverside for the first time since the closure of the Harland & Wolff Shipyard. With unrivalled views of the river, the new pathway is a great place to walk, sit, cycle and enjoy the waterfront, and, even better, the true splendour of Govan Old, Govan’s own cathedral, is revealed for all to see and appreciate. The pathway leads directly to the summer ferry terminal at Water Row and will come into its own when the new Govan-Partick pedestrian and cycle bridge is complete in 2021 – helping to connect up journeys and boost visitor numbers to Govan.

Now open – Govan’s fabulous new riverside walkway

This sign dates its opening to 2017, so I’m not as late as usual in finding this.

Govan Old Walkway Sign

Govan Old Walkway Sign

The locals are already making use of it.

Govan Walkway Cat

Govan Walkway Cat

I thought that cat had short legs – but at this time of year it’s more likely to be a belly full of kittens!

I wasn’t as close as this shot looks, and never got any closer than about 10 metres before she slipped through a fence in into a nearby garden.

Then kept popping out to see if I was gone.

06/07/2019 Posted by | Civilian, council, Maritime, Transport | , , , , | Leave a comment

Remembering Glasgow city fathers’ original wisdom on building height – apparently now long forgotten

Sadly, I can’t remember what I was reading when I saw this note, but I was doing some research on Glasgow’s tenements when I came across a line which stated that the appearance of Glasgow’s well-proportioned streets was no accident, or chance happening.

It stated that as Glasgow moved on from its collection of cottages and ramshackle buildings, and developed its sandstone buildings, civic buildings, and wealthy merchant’s homes, the city fathers of the day had decreed that new building would be in the order of 4 or 5 storeys in height.

That probably still gave some leeway for interpretation, since I didn’t come across anything which defined the height of one story.

While I don’t claim any originality for the thought, I found myself in agreement with a report I tripped over a while ago (not about Glasgow), where the point was being made that a series of riverside developments which had been allowed to take place over the years had led to the riverfront being effectively closed off to anyone who was not a resident of the high rise accommodation which had been constructed there, or an employee in one of the accompanying high rise office blocks.

A further point was made that views of the river were consequently being increasingly denied to those visiting the area, as was access to any parts of the riverside, or riverbank owners of property or offices claimed was ‘Private’ and had blocked public access by installing fencing.

While development along the River Clyde tends to be on the side of the road across from the riverbank, it is already possible to find areas that have been fenced off, and some accommodation development has provided access, there are also areas where paths have been blocked, and access closed.

I’ve been watching the various demolitions and redevelopments taking place along Clyde Street, where it’s notable that each subsequent build on land cleared there is pushing the floor count and height up by a little bit every time.

Almost as if there was a plot (or conspiracy theory) to sneak the increases in by stealth, through the back door, in the knowledge that if anyone tried to get the current maximum approved, it would be noticed right away, objection filed, and permission refused.

I kid you not.

I took a series of pics last night (trees make it harder to pick one clear view), from the south bank of the river, where many older building still stand (albeit also empty and abandoned, with ‘For Sale’ or ‘To Let’ signs attached), to show what I have in mind.

You can see the steady progression in heights over time.

A new, and still taller, building has just been approved on the site where you can see a white building still standing (until it is razed) on the corner to the left of the suspension bridge.

As these are wide views, you can click to make them larger and see more detail

Ever increasing Clyde Street building height

Ever increasing Clyde Street building height

These media articles referring to the related planning permissions submitted over the above area include renders of the completed buildings, so you can can compare them to my pics to see how the increase  in height is growing over time.

Glasgow riverfront set for new ‘lifestyle brand’ seventeen storey hotel

This next one will raise the bar to 20 ‘levels’.

Does calling them levels rather than storeys make them smaller?

Glasgow hotel with rooftop restaurant set to transform city centre skyline

TWENTY-Storey Aparthotel With Glass-Sided Rooftop Restaurant Proposed For City Centre Site Beside Clyde

Unlike objectors, I’ve really got no issues with the buildings (usually going on vacant land anyway, or replacing building which have lain empty for years, with no takers), or their use. Businesses and economies change over time. That’s just reality.

I really am just concerned at the steady growth in heights, and how this seems to be sneaking in a few storeys at a time, every time a new building is proposed.

Dare I add that Glasgow is becoming a collection of sad, empty gap sites.

Maybe fill them first, with appropriate buildings, then look at building up, if there’s actually a need, rather than just satisfying some developer’s vanity or ego trip.

21/06/2019 Posted by | Civilian, council, photography, Transport | , , , | Leave a comment

The giant hogweed farms see bumper crops in 2019

Coming along the path along the River Clyde near Cambuslang, it was hard not to miss this years apparently bumper crop of giant hogweed springing up along the riverbank.

It may not be all that warm, but combined with the recent damp spell, these things seem to be thriving, and look as if they are set to fill any available space down there.

These are already as tall as man, taller in fact, since these pics were taken from the path overlooking the river, and are easily level with (and above) my head. The ground they are rising from is about a metre below my feet.

Don’t forget the sap from these plants can render skin ultra sensitive to sunlight if it comes into contact with it, potentially leading to huge blisters, and even scarring.

Giant Hogweed 2019

Giant Hogweed 2019

14/06/2019 Posted by | Appeal, Civilian, photography | , , , | Leave a comment

17-storey building on Clyde Street nears completion

I recently expressed personal concern regarding an application for permission to build an 18-storey building near the Clyde.

The development of 324 flats would sit at the corner of Kingston Street and Commerce Street, in the south east corner of the Tradeston site.

Documents submitted by architects Stallan-Brand state the building, with two 18-floor towers, “will play a key role in Glasgow’s skyline, in particular when entering the city from the south”.

AIMING High With Major Build-To-Rent Towers At Buchanan Wharf

It might just be me, but I’m not impressed by arrival of such tall structures, especially along the river, where they give a few lucky people a nice view – but cut off the view for everyone else.

Worse still if they also result in access to the river being denied if the owner decides to fence ‘their’ section off and prevent public access.

You can actually find one such spot on the south bank of the River Clyde in the section between the Tradeston footbridge and the Kingston Bridge.

Walking, or cycling, along the footpath find the way barred by a fence placed across the path at the flats there.

In fact, once you return to the path and make your way along the riverbank past the Springfield Quay shopping centre, when you arrive at the Pacific Quay apartments, your way is barred again, and you have to head onto the streets once again, in order to continue.

I haven’t checked, and I haven’t noticed any challenges, but a little voice at the back of my head is suggesting that this closure of public access to the few metres of land constituting the riverbank is not legal, and right of way along that band of land cannot be denied. I’m almost sure I read of homeowners somewhere towards Hamilton and Motherwell who had fenced of the riverbank at the bottom of their gardens, and denying walkers access to walk along the riverbank, were challenged in court. I think they get told to remover the fences, but just put them back after a while, and the whole stupid thing repeats.


Irritating as that is, that’s not really my concern here.

I’m just disappointed if the city fathers’ original concept of tenement size buildings no more than 4 or 5-storeys high is to be forgotten, and once 17 and 18-storey building are permitted, it’s not hard to see that no developer is going to resist the option of increasing their profits by increasing the number of storeys, and this number is slowly pushed higher and higher.

I don’t have any problems with developments, but worry that they may not be appropriate, or jammed into the wrong place.

Note how this one started as one type of development, and was then changed to something different:

AN operator has been confirmed for a new 290-room multi-storey hotel beside the Clyde in Glasgow.

The 17-storey structure on Clyde Street, which is substantially complete, is to become the first Tribe hotel in Europe.

Tribe is a new brand launched by Accor Hotel Group. The Glasgow location is to be a “vibrant lifestyle hotel with a bar, restaurant and co-working space.”

The hotel, which will also include part of neighbouring premises at Riverside House, 260 Clyde Street, is due to open in the autumn.

A gym, cafe and meeting rooms for the hotel will be provided at ground floor and mezzanine level in Riverside House with internal openings being created between the two buildings.

The new building was originally intended to be student accommodation but planning permission for use as a hotel was sought instead in response to a change in the market.

SEVENTEEN-Storey Glasgow Riverfront Hotel Will Be First In Europe For New Brand

18-storey Clyde riverbank hotel

18-storey Clyde riverbank hotel

I almost caught this place recently. Refurb underway adjacent, and structure being assembled on right.

Clyde Walkway Second Tiger Mural

Clyde Walkway Second Tiger Mural

Incidentally, have you noticed how many building in Glasgow have become hotels, or were new buildings?

I just happened to start looking at the signs on building as I passed them, and was gobsmacked at the number which turned out to be hotels when I looked closer at the signs.

I wonder if anyone has counted them all, and compared the number to past years?

Or if there is perhaps a summary of the number of hotel rooms Glasgow has to offer?

05/06/2019 Posted by | Civilian, council, photography | , , , , | Leave a comment

It’s a shame that development plans along the Clyde attract so many naysayers

After following the news for years, it’s become fairly obvious that the only people regularly motivated to respond to articles can be assumed to be naysayers, those who just say ‘NO!’ to virtually any proposals that see any sort of change being proposed.

Try following some longer running or significant stories related to change, and I think you’ll find I’m generally right.

One such subject that often brings them out from under their stones is development along the banks of the River Clyde, and while it’s right that this should be subject to review, it’s also just plain stupid for people to jump up and shout ‘NO!’ before it’s clear what is being done, why it’s being done, and what the result will be.

The naysayers have, of course, been nowhere to be seen as the area along the banks of the river have slowly declined and become deserted over the years, but as soon as any proposals are made to reverse that decline, out they come, shouting ‘NO!’, almost before the proposals have been seen and reviewed, let alone any plans presented.

You can look at the moron comment sections after coverage of this material in the media to see what I mean. There, you’ll find not only the naysayers gathering just to say ‘NO!’ for no reason other than to say ‘NO!’, but others who apparently oppose the whole idea because it will hand money to big business. Interesting idea. Where were those people when money was being handed to the 2014 Commonwealth Games, but not to Tollcross Park winter garden? You’ll never find them when they’re really needed.

However, I’m only going to refer specifically to the reGlasgow article below, where you can see a more balanced presentation of the possible changes, together with a structural analysis referring to the construction of the river’s banks, and why they can’t sustain heavy loads, and need investment to strengthen them if anything substantial is ever to be added – should that be part of a later planning submission.

MAJOR investment aimed at transforming the Custom House Quay stretch of the River Clyde in Glasgow is being proposed.

City council officials are recommending that £25million of Glasgow City Deal money is spent on a new quay wall, 20 metres into the river.

Also proposed is public realm to enhances existing access and connectivity and creation of development platforms to bring activity to the area.

A report to councillors states: “Custom House Quay is the City Centre’s main frontage to the River Clyde and covers the stretch of river between Victoria Bridge and Glasgow Bridge.

“Although Custom House Quay has benefited from limited public realm investment in the past it is not of sufficient environmental quality to attract footfall to the river edge particularly in the evenings when the area is perceived as a hostile environment which encourages anti-social behaviour.

“A condition report undertaken by consultant engineers Fairhurst Limited concluded that the quay wall at this location is in poor condition — the vast majority of the structure is of perched timber construction and is of a similar age to the recently collapsed wall at Windmillcroft Quay.

“The report noted costs in the order of £10million to address structural issues through the construction of a new sheet-piled quay wall.

“Concerns about the structural integrity of the quay wall mean that use of this section of the waterfront for large-scale events is discouraged although the site can still support limited smaller scale events in the upper sections adjacent to Clyde Street.”

VISION For Glasgow’s Custom House Quay Riverfront Set For £25Million Boost

I remember when the area along the Clyde was buzzing with people, and crowded in the evenings too, as there used to be entertainment facilities there, but that all disappeared some years ago, and the are is generally deserted.

Even cycling along the Clyde Walkway there can be risky on dark evenings. I now opt for Argyle Street and Trongate, which feels a lot safer.

The area is very similar in abandonment and desertion to that mentioned previously for High Street.

The two meet just below Saltmarket, and form a fairly dire and deserted corner these days.

Both are in need of the sort of revival which has been proposed recently, and has started along High Street.

Glasgow City Council marketing visualisation of how the riverfront could look

Glasgow City Council marketing visualisation of how the riverfront could look

03/06/2019 Posted by | Civilian, council, Transport | , , | Leave a comment

Braehead 360 – just for fun

Since I’d been having some reasonable success with stitching images together to catch some local building facades (where it wasn’t possible to stand far enough back to catch them in a single shot, or without a ridiculously wide/expensive lens), I thought I’d have a bit of fun with some shots I’d taken along the River Clyde, at Braehead.

I wasn’t sure if I had enough to try this, and the result suggests I was one short, but it did almost work, and gave me some clues for the future, if I try it again, more seriously.

There’s one disjoint in the middle of the final view.

And it seems that while the wide shots can be handheld, going for a full 360 really needs the camera on a tripod, to make sure it stays perfectly level as it is rotated – but then again, for free, I’m not complaining.

I did make sure it was level, but clearly didn’t quite manage to keep the horizon line properly centred, so it’s a bit wavy.

I’d probably also avoid the full 360 if I try this trick again, and limit things to less than full rotation. The gap would then let me decide where the view starts and finishes. In the view below, the software decided the best/worst edge matches, and has no option for setting a start/finish – which is no surprise since it’s not designed to do 360s. I was just playing with it to see what it would do. It could have refused to work, as it sometimes does if don’t take pics correctly and the edges can’t be matched.

I might give this another go at some time.

I’d put the deliberate break in the middle of the sequence, so the panorama was centred on the river, rather than the shopping centre.

Click for bigger.

Braehead Clyde Stitch

Braehead Clyde Stitch

Oops – oh silly me…

I don’t have to go back, just leave out the offending disjointed image from the original set!

In fact, I actually ended leaving out TWO of the original images.

Leaving out the disjointed one (with the right-hand part of the seating) forced the desired river panorama, but then I found that dropping the adjacent image with the left part of the seating had the desirable side-effect of levelling out the previously wonky finished view (so it must have been out of line).

Also, things like that handrail have to be placed to appear in full in only ONE shot, and not across two. Being so close to the camera shooting wide angle shots mean they vary wildly in size when seen close, large in the centre, but then smaller when they are off-centre. See the difference between the handrail section on the left of the pic, compared to that seen on the right.

This view is also a reminder to set MANUAL exposure for such a series of shots, to avoid the vertical banding evident in these finished views – but it was only a test.

Click for bigger.

Braehead Clyde Stitch Two

Braehead Clyde Stitch Two

05/05/2019 Posted by | photography | , , | Leave a comment

Will an 18-storey complex on the River Clyde get planning permission?

I will await with interest the outcome of a planning application for an 18-storey build-to-rent complex at the Buchanan Wharf development near River Clyde close to Glasgow city centre.

The development of 324 flats would sit at the corner of Kingston Street and Commerce Street, in the south east corner of the Tradeston site.

Documents submitted by architects Stallan-Brand state the building, with two 18-floor towers, “will play a key role in Glasgow’s skyline, in particular when entering the city from the south”.

AIMING High With Major Build-To-Rent Towers At Buchanan Wharf

This seems to me to be a shocking plan for the area, and I hope it goes the way of most such ridiculously high developments – and gets thrown out.

A look at the surrounding area shows that the proposed towers are about TWICE the height of most the existing building in the surrounding area.

It’s been pointed out in the past that some developers seem to determined to virtually cut off public access and public view to the river front, and create a nice little closed environment for their tenants.

Those that can afford to get to the river can enjoy it, while the rest of us end up being excluded, not only from access, but even most of the view.

Click for bigger.maps

Buchanan Wharf Development pic credit Drum Property Group via reGlasgow

Buchanan Wharf Development pic credit Drum Property Group via reGlasgow

There was one positive line.

For 324 flats…

There will be 324 secure cycle parking spaces. A ground floor car park will have 16 spaces.

I wonder how that will go down with the planning department?

Do the proposers really think there will be a mere 16 car owners living there?

Or is it more likely some 300 cars will somehow ‘vanish’ into the surrounding streets?

How about friends and visitors? Do they fold up their cars and stick them in their back pocket if they decide to visit?

16/04/2019 Posted by | Civilian, council | , , | Leave a comment

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